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Manga Studio still the way to go?
« on: 07 February, 2012, 05:32:45 PM »
Well a lot of people clubbed together for my 40th and got me a quite incredible present of a Cintiq, when I'd asked for a Bamboo. Its beautiful and I love already as its got me thinking about drawing all sorts again BUT I'm utterly ignorant of computer drawing packages to best exploit it with. I get the impression that for 'comic style' line art that Manga Studio is the way to go. Is that still correct and any tips and advice before I wade in?

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Re: Manga Studio still the way to go?
« Reply #1 on: 07 February, 2012, 05:41:57 PM »
Still true. You want the EX version rather than the Deluxe*, and, if you can wait until one of the many, many sales, you should be able to pick it up for $99.

You can try it via a 30 day demo too, just to see if it's your thing.

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*EX has a load of extra features that make it more than worth spending the extra money on - esp if you can get it at the sale price.

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Re: Manga Studio still the way to go?
« Reply #2 on: 08 February, 2012, 09:17:51 AM »
EX version is only £58 on amazon right now.....

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Re: Manga Studio still the way to go?
« Reply #3 on: 08 February, 2012, 12:41:00 PM »
Yeah just saw that...hmmmm

Okay this one is probably a little more tricky and I've no idea if people will be able to help without a lot of specific information, but graphics cards?

I'm going to set up my Cintiq on the desktop we have in the artic (well I have) and it works fine except this PC is quite an old duffer with a bit of expanded memory, still running XP. The graphics card is a bit poo an 'SiS 661' and won't even support the 1200 x 800 (I think it was resolution). Is there a good graphics card I should be looking at or is this the type of thing so engrained in the specifics of the PC its best to take it to the shop, bat my eye lids and ask the young man to help me?

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Re: Manga Studio still the way to go?
« Reply #4 on: 08 February, 2012, 12:52:03 PM »
Whoops and I might have shown the extent of my ignorance there. Its not Manga Studio that'll be affected by the graphics card but the screen... and its a video card... DVI

oh heavens to Betsy this will take some work...

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Re: Manga Studio still the way to go?
« Reply #5 on: 08 February, 2012, 01:24:11 PM »
Um.

I think the Sis chip is an integreated chip on the motherboard. So the first question is whether the motherboard has a suitable expansion slot for a separate graphics card. There are generally three types of slot. PCI, AGP and PCI express x16 or PCIe x16. PCI and AGP are more typical on older motherboards. AGP in particular was used for graphics but has been superceded by the PCIe x16.

Soooo, if you've only got an AGP slot you're going to struggle to find a new graphics card and are probably looking at 2nd hand on ebay. If you have a pcie x16 slot then you have more options.

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Re: Manga Studio still the way to go?
« Reply #6 on: 08 February, 2012, 01:39:59 PM »
just correcting myself. new AGP cards still seem to be widely available.

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Re: Manga Studio still the way to go?
« Reply #7 on: 08 February, 2012, 02:01:19 PM »
One of the nice things about MS, it seems quite undemanding on system resources, for B & W work at least - I've used it on systems with integrated video very happily.

Not sure about XP though, it is ancient, I imagine there a minimum system spec on their site?

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« Reply #8 on: Today at 07:58:28 PM »
There's no problem with it being XP... it's still a gret operating system despite its many flaws.

The screen res is your big issue.

Your pc will most likely have an expansion slot free for a video card.

Do you want to post more spec about the pc and we might be able to advise.

This free program will tell you what processor you're running and how much RAM you have (and a whole load more info you won't need)
SIW - System Information for Windows
http://www.gtopala.com/

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Re: Manga Studio still the way to go?
« Reply #9 on: Today at 08:43:29 PM »
XP runs art programmes faster and more efficiently than the bloated cash-grabbing whore that is Vista, so I wouldn't worry about that.  If your PC is getting on a bit, it might be an idea to assign your tablet as the only monitor rather than running it and a regular monitor concurrently as an extended desktop, as this puts more of a strain on your graphics card (not much, but if you have other things going on it all adds up over time, especially on older machines).

Manga Studio has some great features, but I would stress that even coming into it with previous experience of art programmes, there's a lot of it that's counter-intuitive and obfuscated to the point of practical non-existence, including some quirks like not being able to assign functions - like zoom - to your Cintiq buttons (or if there's a way to do this, it's well-hidden enough that several years in I still haven't found it), and it took me ages to figure out that you can't open files directly in MS, you have to open a document with exactly the same dimensions and then import the file as a separate layer (if there's a way around this, I haven't found that, either), plus I still haven't figured out a way to make MS remember where all the different tool palettes are located when I restart, so it randomly dumps them in the centre of the Cintiq after I turn it on regardless of how many times I try to save the workspace.  None of these are deal-breakers, but they are annoying.
The stroke in/stroke out correction options are great for doodling, mind, though I wish the same could be said for the line tool, which tends to be more jagged along the edges than I'd like.  File sizes tend to be quite large, too, but I've had less trouble with MS than I've had with larger files in Photoshop.

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Re: Manga Studio still the way to go?
« Reply #10 on: Today at 08:53:57 PM »
XP runs art programmes faster and more efficiently than the bloated cash-grabbing whore that is Vista, so I wouldn't worry about that.  If your PC is getting on a bit, it might be an idea to assign your tablet as the only monitor rather than running it and a regular monitor concurrently as an extended desktop, as this puts more of a strain on your graphics card (not much, but if you have other things going on it all adds up over time, especially on older machines).

Manga Studio has some great features, but I would stress that even coming into it with previous experience of art programmes, there's a lot of it that's counter-intuitive and obfuscated to the point of practical non-existence, including some quirks like not being able to assign functions - like zoom - to your Cintiq buttons

On the mac you can assign your cintiq with whatever buttons you like, so, for example, I've assigned my primary cintiq button as a space bar, which makes it easy to just grab and move the page around. I zoom in and out on the page using the Zoom buttons on the window (photoshop lacks that feature) which I find handy enough.

I've also assigned the secondary pen button as CTRL-Z so I can quickly undo whatever horrible lines I draw.

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(or if there's a way to do this, it's well-hidden enough that several years in I still haven't found it), and it took me ages to figure out that you can't open files directly in MS, you have to open a document with exactly the same dimensions and then import the file as a separate layer (if there's a way around this, I haven't found that, either),


Took me awhile to wrap my head round this too; but I think this is yer typical "'feature' not 'bug'" - MS is designed to print comics, and comics are fixed sizes (In all the hundreds of pages I've drawn I've only ever needed three sizes: 2000ad, Strip and US comic size). It works best in Story mode, where you can create an entire strip (eg 22 pages) at a single fixed size. It took me some time to really get my head round it, as photoshop is much more flexible in page sizes - but was you do you realise, for comics, it's be the better bet.

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plus I still haven't figured out a way to make MS remember where all the different tool palettes are located when I restart, so it randomly dumps them in the centre of the Cintiq after I turn it on regardless of how many times I try to save the workspace. 

That DOES sound like a bug, again I'm a mac, but mine leaves them were I left them. Check that the directory the settings are in has permissions to read/write stuff (I'm grasping, smarter minds than me might be able to help).

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None of these are deal-breakers, but they are annoying.
The stroke in/stroke out correction options are great for doodling, mind, though I wish the same could be said for the line tool, which tends to be more jagged along the edges than I'd like.

What resolution are you running the pages at? I go with ART Size at 600dpi, and any lines I do, certainly when zoomed in can appear jagged, but jagged zoomed in at 600dpi is pretty much smooth when printed at print size.

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File sizes tend to be quite large, too, but I've had less trouble with MS than I've had with larger files in Photoshop.

It seems to handle those files a lot better - memory management seems to work better on MS - where you can mix and match different types of layer - full colour/bitmap/etc and each can be a different resolution. Whereas photoshop, if you want colour every layer has to be full colour.

-pj

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« Reply #11 on: Today at 09:03:24 PM »
It seems to handle those files a lot better - memory management seems to work better on MS - where you can mix and match different types of layer - full colour/bitmap/etc and each can be a different resolution. Whereas photoshop, if you want colour every layer has to be full colour.

Now that is a cool feature.

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Re: Manga Studio still the way to go?
« Reply #12 on: Today at 09:06:02 PM »
This free program will tell you what processor you're running and how much RAM you have (and a whole load more info you won't need)
SIW - System Information for Windows
http://www.gtopala.com/

Thanks to all for the advice. I've do a bit of research and checked the specs already and it's going to be fine as it is. Except for the fact that I'm running it down my local PC shop Monday to get a new graphics card fitted so fingers crossed after that all I'll have to do is learn how to use a graphics package for the first time... easy... I'm sure... I saw elsewhere that Manga Studio for dumbs is good so that's on order already...

... oh and to learn to draw...

... still going to joy doing it all!

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Re: Manga Studio still the way to go?
« Reply #13 on: Today at 10:22:39 PM »
I tried the MS EX trail version a while back and could run it on XP no problem. Can't remember what card I had, but it wasn't anything spectacular.

What are the main benefits to switching from trad media to MS for you guys? Is it really that much faster?