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Re: Vacancies
« Reply #60 on: 01 July, 2009, 11:59:02 PM »
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Cheekily I ask: have you ever thought about getting a job?  ;)

Oh, many times... But I always go and have a lie down until the feeling passes!

That said, I'm actually more than a little tempted by the Production Assistant at Rebellion job - I reckon I could do that, and three months wouldn't be too long a sojourn in Oxford... But would the job pay enough to cover living expenses?
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Re: Vacancies
« Reply #61 on: 02 July, 2009, 12:30:43 AM »
It would be great if any applications from boarders received a rejection letter in the style of the weekly Prog reviews.

Dear The Cosh,

Qualifications: Oh dear, not this tedious pish again. When will it end?

Relevant experience: Even for a sci-fi comic this is too far fetched.

Achievements: It's a shame. Not bad, as such, but Wagner does this stuff so much better.

Hobbies and Interests: You keep sending it, but I don't even bother reading this any more.

Overall: Go and piss up a rope, fuckstick.

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Re: Vacancies
« Reply #62 on: 02 July, 2009, 12:34:36 AM »
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Mike ... I didn't say that there was good money writing novels.
I remember reading an interview with Neal Stephenson a while ago. He'd been invited to (and actually attended) some sort of book festival. Prior to appearing at a panel, one of the other delegates (no names were named, but the implication was that the majority were the sort of "literary" novelists who get full page write ups in the broadsheets and nominated for the Booker once at the age of 59) asked him what he did. His reply, naturally, was that he was a writer.

"Well, we're all writers" was the reply, "but what do you do for a living."
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« Reply #63 on: 02 July, 2009, 11:08:07 AM »
If you need a DROID REPAIR DROID, or Meq-quake needs some down time then i'm your man.
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Re: Vacancies
« Reply #64 on: 02 July, 2009, 11:26:21 AM »
The Rose Hill and Blackbird Leys estates just outside Oxford are quite cheap if you dont mind high levels of crime related to Crack and Heroin and street crime and anti social behaviour.
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Re: Vacancies
« Reply #65 on: 07 July, 2009, 12:31:46 AM »
Not had a reply yet and me being a black lesbian too. Anyone got Dave Stone's number?

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Re: Vacancies
« Reply #66 on: 07 July, 2009, 09:19:49 PM »
I would imagine that several posters on this forum are very well qualified to do these jobs, and it would be aces if that was to happen.

Myself, well, not only do I have a  totally irrelvant chemistry degree and a CV largely spent in advertising and media, I also have never drawn, edited, or written *anything*, apart from copying the occasional frame from 2000AD when I was about 14 (quite well as it goes), and I would require a salary of c. £100,000 a year in order to keep my wife, children and absurd 2000ad habit in the habit to which they are accustomed.

Please do PM or e-mail if you are interested.

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Re: Vacancies
« Reply #67 on: 07 July, 2009, 09:29:02 PM »
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Sorry, Ush...

The truth is that 99.9% (at least) of novelists don't even earn the minimum wage from their books. I work between 60 to 80 hours a week, often more, and I'm still not earning as much as I would working a 35-hour week in McDonald's... And that's with fifteen published novels behind me!

But don't let that discourage you too much: you never know, your novels might hit the big time and really take off! Just, y'know, don't go spending the money until you actually have it!

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I've always wanted to write a book, and think I've "got one in me" because I'm arrogant like that, but when you say so many novelists can't make a living, one has to wonder - if that is true, and I have no reason to disbelieve you -  how do useless cunts like Dan Brown and James Patterson earn a living via the literary drivel they churn out?

Is it marketing? Luck? Connections?

Obviously Patterson had a whole cadre of advertising and media chums to plug his shite via his old "day job", and he also had an expert insight on what "sells", but Christ almighty, his books are shite.

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Re: Vacancies
« Reply #68 on: 08 July, 2009, 04:42:04 AM »
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I've always wanted to write a book, and think I've "got one in me" because I'm arrogant like that, but when you say so many novelists can't make a living, one has to wonder - if that is true, and I have no reason to disbelieve you -  how do useless cunts like Dan Brown and James Patterson earn a living via the literary drivel they churn out?

Is it marketing? Luck? Connections?

Obviously Patterson had a whole cadre of advertising and media chums to plug his shite via his old "day job", and he also had an expert insight on what "sells", but Christ almighty, his books are shite.

Well, Patterson and Brown are in the 0.1% who make a living because lots of people buy their books. That sounds like a glib answer, I know, but it really is as simple as that.

Now, as to WHY lots of people buy their books... That's a question that requires a somewhat longer answer. The truth is that the average reader doesn't devote much time to reading. I don't know the exact figures but I'd be surprised if the average person reads more than ten books a year. Books aren't a huge part of their lives - they just don't care all that much. So their primary criteria for choosing a book are recommendation by friends, brand recognition and market visibility... This last one is key: people pick the fruit of the best-seller tree and don't often forage any deeper.

So best-sellers are best-sellers because they're best-sellers! Gotta love that!

That part of it is all down to marketing: a successful book rarely has anything to do with the quality of the writing or the storytelling, because success is judged on sales and the sales are almost entirely the product of the skills of the publicity department.

In many cases the publishers decide in advance which books will be their best-sellers. To make a book a best-seller the publishers offer quantity-based discounts to the big bookstore chains (seventy or even eighty per cent isn't unheard of), and on top of that they buy prime shelf-space to ensure maximum visibility: those big window displays of the latest best-sellers in your local bookstore don't come cheap!

Sometimes a book will break through on its own, but this really only happens maybe once a year. The Da Vinci Code is a textbook example: its initial sales were about average, but somehow it caught the public imagination and people started talking about it. The publishers capitalised on this and started pushing it like crazy. Pretty soon everyone was buying it to see what the fuss was about.

It's possible for a publisher to deliberately ignite the public interest, but it's a very unpredictable science. One Big Name publisher (who shall remain nameless) recently paid a huge advance - seven figures in UK money - to a new author for a three-book contract, and they used that as the focus of their publicity campaign: "Look at how much money we're giving this author! That just shows you how much confidence we have in the books!" When the first book was published the author was interviewed dozens of times on prime-time TV, radio, top newspapers... The sort of blanket coverage of which every author dreams. Unfortunately, all the interviews focussed on the impressive advance and pretty much ignored the books.

The books themselves - while certainly not terrible - were nothing particularly special and sales were only slightly above average. So the bookstores were left with thousands of unsold hardbacks, which meant that when the second volume was published a lot of the bookstores didn't want to know. A friend of mine who's well-immersed in the book trade receives the UK's sales figures every week, and through those figures we were able to calculate that said publisher would have to sell the same amount of books more than three hundred times over just to recover their costs.

To break that down:
Let's say that the advance was £1,000,000 (it was actually quite a lot more than that, but let's keep things simple).
Let's say the hardback sells for £10 in the shops... Out of that, the author will receive a royalty of about 5% - 50p a copy.
£1,000,000 divided by 50p means that the publisher has to sell 2 million copies (of the three books in total, not of each book) to cover the advance.
However, since the publisher offered huge discounts to the distributors and bookstores, the author's royalty would be reduced. Let's say it's down to 3.5%. This means sales of 2,857,143 copies to break even.
But we haven't even added the costs of publicity yet... Advertising isn't cheap. We'll err on the side of thriftiness and give them a budget of £100,000... Now they have to sell 3,142,857 books, but a book that sells well but isn't a genuine best-seller might shift (in the UK) 30,000 copies over the course of its life.

One would be forgiven for wondering why on Earth the publisher shelled out so much to begin with: there's only about 60 million people in the UK and it would be madness to expect one person in every twenty to buy a copy. However, publishers can usually expect to recover a lot of their costs by licensing the book to other countries... But that'll only happen if the foreign publishers are interested, and they'll only be swayed by the number of copies sold, not the amount of money paid to the author.

Hmm... I know I had a point before I started all that!

Oh yeah, now I remember! People buy James Patterson and Dan Brown books because those are among the few books to which the people are exposed. They can't easily buy books that aren't on the shelves.

It's the same with comics, of course... 2000 AD used to sell a quarter of a million copies a week when it was prominently displayed in every newsagent. Now, well, you'd be hard-pressed to find a copy in a newsagent within a five-mile radius of my house (and I don't exactly live in the sticks). It's a matter of debate as to whether the comic doesn't sell because it's not being stocked, or it's not being stocked because it doesn't sell...

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Re: Vacancies
« Reply #69 on: 08 July, 2009, 06:17:32 AM »
'Course being a writer has all sorts of non-financial benefits - like developing the ability to compose several pages of fascinating factual insight at 4.42am.
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Re: Vacancies
« Reply #70 on: 08 July, 2009, 07:10:29 AM »
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It's a matter of debate as to whether the comic doesn't sell because it's not being stocked, or it's not being stocked because it doesn't sell...

An excellent point. I'm reminded of a very telling op/ed piece published in (I think) Speakeasy or something similar by one of the managers a Page 45 comic store waaay back. I've forgotten his name, sadly, but in the piece he challenged the larger retailers by pointing out that the biggest sellers in their stores were the likes of Sandman and Hellblazer, noting (IIRC) that Cerebus would regularly feature in their monthly top ten sales.

His point was that they gave shelf space, prominence, and staff recommendations to the books they liked, and thought their customers would like, and were rewarded with sales of these books that were unheard of in larger stores, or chains of stores.

His point, essentially, was to give the lie to the mantra chanted by the larger (chain) stores, which was: "We stock a lot of crap, because crap sells", by pointing out that their experience suggested that the big stores sold a lot of crap because they stocked a lot of crap.

Interestingly, the Page 45 in Nottingham seems to have weathered the storm in the industry over the last 15 years or so better than many other comic shops in the town.

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« Reply #71 on: 08 July, 2009, 12:20:15 PM »
I'm suposed to be looking for work and you do sort of know me by now.
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Re: Vacancies
« Reply #72 on: 09 July, 2009, 04:19:04 PM »
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Oh yeah, now I remember! People buy James Patterson and Dan Brown books because those are among the few books to which the people are exposed. They can't easily buy books that aren't on the shelves.

Patterson's books are one of the few I ever see advertised on TV - granted the adverts are the cheapest you could imagine and not in the primetime slots but people are prepared to spend money to make money.

What interested me was that he is also the most borrowed author in British libraries:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/fe ... -libraries

It also outlines his success - he gives people what they want:

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If there is a defining feature of Patterson it is the fantastically short chapters, often just three pages. His ability to know what pushes readers' buttons may be explained by the job he gave up to concentrate on a full-time writing career: chief executive of one of the world's best known advertising firms, J Walter Thompson.

What is interesting is that he doesn't even write a lot of them:

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Patterson and the writers he employs are happy to keep the fans happy, with the Patterson name emblazoned across at least eight books in the last year, in genres from thriller to romance to misery memoir. Other writers' names regularly appear on the cover - often in much smaller type - but he denies that he sometimes has no involvement at all in the writing. Last year he said: "I get all this baloney about well, what does he do? Does he even look at them? Well yes, he does look at them."

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How does he do it? Well, ever since 1996, when he published a novel called Miracle on the 17th Green with a golfing buddy, he has done it by finding collaborators to help him fill in the blanks. He comes up with the plot, they write the sentences, he reviews draft after draft. To hear Patterson tell it, he simply has too many ideas to write them all up himself, so he enlists an army of co-writers. He resists the word "factory", of course, or "formula".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/ap ... bestseller

He is basically a brand based on some formula he has devised and then hammers out volumes. It is pretty much what Barbara Cartland/Tom Clancy did. It is horribly cynical but it works. it must be depressing for authors actually trying hard to write decent material, but that is the way the world is.
 
His success may be mystifying to folks like us, but so is the success of My Family and it pretty much comes down to a similar concept - you are giving people a bland, predictable product and once you've honed the formula you can then pretty much crank it out (My Family, as I've mentioned elsewhere, is one of the few British sitcoms written by a team of writers - often the scripts are so bad the actors have refused to participate). The sad fact is an awful lot of people don't want to be challenged or engaged by their fiction.
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Re: Vacancies
« Reply #73 on: 09 July, 2009, 04:39:17 PM »
Years and years agoI used to live a few doors up the road from Catherine Cookson in Hastings.She moved on after a while but i think she is still one of the biggest selling authors in the world with books translated into nearly every language imaginable.

I think she hit upon a formula and cranked out the novels as well that was romantic fiction or historical novels in a period setting with a sort of upstairs / downstairs theme that was partly based on her own childhood.I have never read any of her fiction so i cant comment on how good or bad it was.

She wrote 100 novels and sold 123 million copies and she wrote every single one of those herself.She started writing as a form of therapy to fight depression and i got the impression that she wasnt a cynical writer who was in it for fame and money as she was a bit reclusive and all the time she was writing she was suffering from a rare vascular disease.She also gave away a lot of money to philanthropic causes without any publicity.


There was also a theory that was never proven that Jeffrey Archer didnt write his own books.
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« Reply #74 on: 09 July, 2009, 05:29:11 PM »
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There was also a theory that was never proven that Jeffrey Archer didnt write his own books.

I heard on television years ago that he does write his own books, but they are heavily edited to be made legible.