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A message from the writer of STALAG 666
« on: 22 October, 2008, 10:25:10 AM »
Hi.

First off, please don't think this is a primadonna writer getting annoyed at people critising his mighty work. It's not like that at all, and in a moment you'll see why I've resorted to writing this.

I'm Tony Lee, and I'm the writer of Stalag #666. Now some of you like it, some of you absolutely bloody hate it, and that's fine by me because everyone has the right to choose and all that. I get as many emails a week from people saying they enjoy it as I get from people not liking it so currently the jury's still out. And to be honest it has been a learning experience, and something that I've used to change my next 2000ad story, Necrophim.

But here's my problem. And I'm sorry guys, but this is going to turn into a bit of a rant.

You hate my story? Sorry dude. No, I really am. Personally, I'd love every reader to love my story - but as a first time writer for the Tooth? I'm going to have things I put in that you're not going to like. Hell, there are people who have written for 2000ad for years who get slated on stories. And as I said, that's totally the right of the reader and the reviewer. And it is totally your right, if you hate such a story to complain about it on forums, down the pub and suchlike. You can be as vicious and vitriolic as you like. Free world, free speech.

Now I'll be honest, in twenty years of writing, and in five years of writing comics I've never had reviews so negative and I will admit that three weeks into Stalag #666 I emailed Matt, actually concerned that I wasn't a good writer and suggesting we pull the tale. But Matt is a consumate professional and pointed out that although I was getting thrown into a grinder, there were people out there who liked the story - and these people wanted to see the end.

So blame them.

But the hatred of the series still continued. Again, as is your right. You don't like the story. I get it. And it's unfortunate that it was written before it started to come out. I don't like letting anyone down and I've seen quite consistantly on here and on the 2000ad Review site that I've apparently written the worst 2000ad story ever. Not exactly the praise I wanted to hear.

But that's not the point of this post - THIS is why I'm posting to you. Not because I'm crying at bad reviews - I can deal with that. What I'm posting about is THIS. There was a package delivered today. Not to me, but to an address I used to live at - and I'm utterly f*cking disgusted.

It's no secret that anyone with a couple of hours, hell minutes on google can find anyones address online and someone obviously did, albeit getting the wrong, out of date address. Now over the last few weeks I've had anonymous people post cut-and-pasted negative reviews of Stalag #666 from this board and the 2000ad Review as comments to my blog posts, usually pretty much every time I post something positive on my blog. I live with it. It's a price I pay.

But today someone I used to live with at an address I used to live at got a letter. I'm not saying anything more on that - just that an address that I don't live at had a letter sent to me, and the person who lives there, be them relative or friend saw it was addressed to me and opened it for me, thinking it was important.

"Dear Scumbag writer of shit stories." It started. And this is pretty much word for word, read down the phone to me. "Why don't you f*ck off back to whatever crap you were writing before you blackmailed Tharg into allowing your retarded w*nkstains to be printed. And I hear you've got more coming out? Give up. You're shit."

It then proceeded to give a cut and paste of EVERY negative review. It gave me the ones from here, it gave me the ones from 2000ad Review - including every review bar the most recent one. Not a single positive one, and I know I've had a couple of those - but EVERY SINGLE 'WE HATE THIS STORY' ONE. It was three A4 sheets.

Okay, I get it. You hate this bloody story. But then they read the kicker out to me.

"get the message?" It continued. "F*ck off out of comics. Go back to working in KFC or wherever you threw up from. I can shit better scripts than you can write."

And the following page? THEY HAD WIPED THEIR ARSE ON A SHEET OF PAPER. They had wiped excrement all over it. It stank.

AND THEN THEY HAD POSTED IT TO ME.

What the f*ck? I mean, SERIOUSLY, what the hell is f*cking wrong with you if you'd hate a story so much you'd shit on a piece of photocopy paper and send it to a writer as a protest?

Well whoever you are, and I know you obviously read this forum as you cut and pasted from it, I hope you're happy. Because I didn't open this, someone else did. Someone who didn't deserve to wake up this morning with such a terrible surprise. How would you feel if your elderly father or mother recieved something like this for you? What about a brother, sister, your TEN YEAR OLD NIECE opened this letter up, sent to an address you no longer live at?

Getting told that a story that you're actually quite proud of (as I was with Stalag #666) is tedious and boring and the worst thing ever? It hurts like hell. It's worse than ever being the last on the line picked in games, and having been on this end of it, I'll never bitch about a book or film again. But as I've said countless times I wouldn't have it any other way because without people like you who have the balls to say what you think, I wouldn't grow as a writer. It's almost amusing though - from the moment I send in the script until the moment I read the comic, I never see the art - so often I actually read your reviews of my work before I see it myself. Which is a bit screwed up.

But if you truly think that sending me faeces in the post is a valid argument? Then matey? You're totally f*cked up in the head. And the next time it happens, I'm going to the police. This one was burned.

But I won't stop writing for 2000ad. Because it's something I fought for seventeen years for. And I'll be damned if I'm going to be scared off by some twat with a toilet paper shortage.

Anyway, sorry for the rant and thanks for taking the time to read this. It's not a 'think of what you say' email, I'm quite happy to be nailed if you think my story is crap. And I'd appreciate it if someone linked this to the 2000ad Review board. But please, please -

Don't make a postman do that again. I'm crap, I'm a terrible writer. I get it.

Please don't post something like that to me again, yeah?

T

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Re: A message from the writer of STALAG 666
« Reply #1 on: 22 October, 2008, 10:27:59 AM »
Thanks for brave to post your message on here, but I do enjoy your Stalag 666... can't wait to see how it ending...
No! Please! Not that! Not-- THE SCORPIONS!

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Re: A message from the writer of STALAG 666
« Reply #2 on: 22 October, 2008, 10:32:37 AM »
Wow.  I don't think even Nestel's that bad a writer.

That's just disgusting and says a lot more about the sender than the writer.  Extremely disturbing.  Did you get a postmark or anything before you destroyed it?

I'm all for people saying what they think- but this is just deranged.
« Last Edit: 22 October, 2008, 10:33:09 AM by Matt Timson »
Pffft...

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Re: A message from the writer of STALAG 666
« Reply #3 on: 22 October, 2008, 10:33:08 AM »
Jesus christ.

What a fucking cock (not you Tony- I've met you, you're a nice guy).

I mean, there's stories I haven't liked before, but that's pretty much where it ends.

Seriously- I'd turn it over to the police.

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I've apparently written the worst 2000ad story ever.

In a world where Junker exists? I don't think so...

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Re: A message from the writer of STALAG 666
« Reply #4 on: 22 October, 2008, 10:37:50 AM »
I've had to read that again- just to make sure I didn't dream it!

Unbelievable!
Pffft...

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Re: A message from the writer of STALAG 666
« Reply #5 on: 22 October, 2008, 10:47:49 AM »
I'm gobsmacked that someone would go to such lengths just because they don't like a story.

I've reposted your message onto the 2000AD Review forum here.

Personally, Stalag 666 is the story I've been reading second in 2000AD at the moment (after Dredd). It keeps me interested enough to want to follow the story, without feeling like hard work. The current Lobster Random plot has lost me somewhere along the way and I'm finding it tough to get back on track. The same is true to a lesser extent with Red Seas. They may  both be "better" stories than yours but I'm finding them less enjoyable. When Stalag 666 is finished I won't be hoping for a sequel, but I will be looking forward to reading your next story.

I sincerely hope that the culprit wasn't one of our regulars.

Cheers,

Wake

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Re: A message from the writer of STALAG 666
« Reply #6 on: 22 October, 2008, 10:51:02 AM »
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I sincerely hope that the culprit wasn't one of our regulars.

Just what I was thinking too.

And I suppose you could take it as a sort of twisted compliment... I mean, if I don't like something I shrug and get on with my life (unless it's on TV, then I shout at it)- but to go to all this bother just for you..!

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Re: A message from the writer of STALAG 666
« Reply #7 on: 22 October, 2008, 10:54:11 AM »
I always thought from the few fellow readers I've met & encountered on this site that they (not I) were a relatively educated bunch and, well, sane.

That is just plain way out there fucking appalling behaviour! I mean what kind of sad bellend do you have to be to get so enraged and go to such lengths because of a 5 page comic strip?




Oh and  without giving it much thought I could name ten stories that are worse than yours.
Hmm, just pretend I wrote something witty eh?

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Re: A message from the writer of STALAG 666
« Reply #8 on: 22 October, 2008, 10:54:41 AM »
I'm pretty sickened - gobsmacked, actually - to think that the sort of chap who would do something like that reads 2000AD. I'm not the biggest fan of Stalag, but... Jeeeez. What's wrong with some people?

I feel ashamed on behalf of the readership.

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Re: A message from the writer of STALAG 666
« Reply #9 on: 22 October, 2008, 10:59:57 AM »
Crikey. That is nasty. I really hope that wasn't one of the regulars here.

Tony- we had a chat about this nonsense at Brum-con the other week, you were a pleasure to talk to and I'm sorry for what happened. For what it's worth I'm enjoying the story a lot- (My issue is with the artwork, but not here, eh?) and you were rightr about my guess of the traitor.

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Re: A message from the writer of STALAG 666
« Reply #10 on: 22 October, 2008, 11:00:50 AM »
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and you were rightr about my guess of the traitor.

Heh. I thought that as I read it!

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Re: A message from the writer of STALAG 666
« Reply #11 on: 22 October, 2008, 11:04:07 AM »
Quote from: "His Lordship rac"
Seriously- I'd turn it over to the police.
^^ This.

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When Stalag 666 is finished I won't be hoping for a sequel, but I will be looking forward to reading your next story.
^^ And also, this.

I find it hard to believe anyone would be so terribly insulted by Stalag 666 that they'd even be overtly negative about it, let alone resort to something so appalling. Personally, I think it's an OK story. I'm happy to read it, I want to see how it ends, and it's happily bobbing along in 'solid' territory, if you know what I mean. It won't ever rank alongside my favourite 2000 AD strips, but it's a long, long way from the dreck of Junker, Wireheads, Grudgefather and so on. "Fun" and "mildly entertaining" are words I'd use to describe it (and that's not damning with faint praise—and the strip was actually the first one I turned to this week after getting brainfucked by Lob and Red Seas and seeing Mills on the credits for Dredd).

I was honestly hoping I'd get to the end of your post, Tony, and see some kind of witty end, to throw the readers. Clearly, however, someone on these boards has major psychological issues. I'm glad to see that it hasn't stopped you wanting to write more for the comic, and I'm sincerely happy to see sensible, constructive replies to your post. Frankly, anyone who says anything like "you deserve it, sucky writer person" needs to be repeatedly hit with the ban stick.

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Re: A message from the writer of STALAG 666
« Reply #12 on: 22 October, 2008, 11:04:28 AM »
My guess is that the person who posted the package is the same person who has been pasting bad reviews onto your blog. I very much doubt someone writing a bad review here would then seek out the writer's blog and then repost their words AT you. Do anonymous blog comments get IP tracked?

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Re: A message from the writer of STALAG 666
« Reply #13 on: 22 October, 2008, 11:08:04 AM »
The IP was logged on the anonymous post, so if I ever wanted to, I could check into that. I have that. But as I said, I'm not going to be annoyed at someone who posts stuff as it's a right. Progressing is the issue here.

We didn't go to the police - in fact we were so shocked, it was burned. THIS TIME.

By the way, this whole thing WASN'T so I had a few positive things said about Stalag for a change... :-)

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Re: A message from the writer of STALAG 666
« Reply #14 on: 22 October, 2008, 11:08:45 AM »
I feel your pain Tony, someone complained about my letters review column (albeit in a less stinky fashion) and got it pulled.

I did post a negative review of the strip on 2000adreview with comments like "The characters are wooden and the plot and situations are predictable and clichéd. " and "Not a glaringly bad strip just one with nothing new to say ". I feel these fall under the banner of fair comment but I am surprised at the vitriol directed towards you.

I know you are not looking for faint praise but it certainly isn't the worst strip ever - I could rhyme off 20 off the top of my head that are far worse. It may be derivative and a bit rambley but at least it has a linear narative and a bit of action every week.

Anyway the main point is that you are being harrassed and have been sent offensive material - surely a matter for the police? The guy is clearly unhinged and in the need of help so get straight onto Plod. You could also post up the material (no,not that bit) and there'd be a good chance someone will recognize the handwriting or style. It sounds like a failed wannabe so I'm sure Matt could find a match in the slush pile, even for the stationery alone. Don't take it lying down - could be a story in it even!

I'm really sorry for the situation. No one deserves this kind of grief especially someone who is writing stories to hopefully entertain like minded people. 'Stalag' may not be a monster hit but I don't grudge it its place in the Prog and I look forward to your next offering with interest. Just take some comfort in the fact you have already achieved way more than your tormentor ever will.

BTW during an informed discussion someone told me they can DNA shit so it may be a case for Morse yet!